[Weedy]: [BarleySinger] << well actually i agree with you humans are generally stupid.... i just needed an argument which made it possible for me to torture bush without breaking the human rights..... but seriously bush is more than stupid.... i mean he seems proud each time he finish a sentence or say a hard word

[Pale-Suzie]: it's a bit of a problem, how do you justify killing bush? i mean, there's plenty of reasons, but you still have to make sure that you don't break the human rights...

[Goldice]: it isn;t human rites 2 goad him in2 suicide all youd have 2 do is push him of the top of a building or summit

[Lord Kügenheim]: or put im in a building and watch the random jet plane fly into it....

[Goldice]: thts not funny ben

[Weedy]: if he is in the building ill fly the jet!!

[wolfMoon09]: why would anyone NOT hate bush? other than being a completely mindless sheep! did you happen to see a woman on the news the other night? she said she would vote for him b/c he's a christian.... bad reason to base a vote, and if he's a christian, i'm lucifer.

[amalie]: er.. acording to him arent we all.......?

[Rondel]: There are so many different beliefs which people label as "Christian", that I can't imagine why anybody would consider that the label alone really tells them much about the person laying claim to it. Some people (as hubby and I were explaining to our daughter the other night) use Christianity, Islam, and many other religions to justify being good to other people, and treating them nicely -- and others use the exact same labels to justify persecuting and even killing other people, all in the name of a religious belief that some people think of as a "path of peace". Labels alone are meaningless; people are what they choose, and what they do, no matter *what* they call themselves.

[Lord Kügenheim]: Religion always has been, and always will be, a very controvertial subject. and an important factor in Politics. I know what I beleive.

[Rondel]: Beliefs are one thing, and I for one won't argue with anyone else's (at least, as long as they're not discriminatory, or used as an excuse to hurt people); labels are quite another, and I will never understand why people think that just because the label is the same, so are the contents. <sigh>

[~Lady Morgana~]: i want to join!!!!!!

[~Lady Morgana~]: would you please sign me up???

[BarleySinger]: this url is a danish song about bush http://go.mylinea.com/4924/1144719/http://secouez.free.fr/sons/george-fucking_bush.mp3

[amalie]: ok people..go here http://www.barx.org/tingogtang/ and download the file marked "gatas parlament - bombefly.wmv".........This is a Norwegian musicvideo making funn of Bush...werry cool

[Goldice]: come on lets c if we can hit the 100 mark by xmas!!!!!!

[Acoustic Sounds]: everyone should buy the rock against bush cd, there's a dvd that comes with it... very good

[GRIM4AW]: theres a CD like that!? cool

[she's gone country]: yes the rock against bush cd is bery funny and so is the dvd that comes with it! it is great

[Weedy]: i just discovered that Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 has won in cannes.... that rocks!!

[Pale-Suzie]: there's a cd out there? sounds cool!

[Dil*]: Michael Moore owns! have you guys seen bowling for columbine?

[WarChiefFanguan]: of course! I own the DVD!

[Mackenzie]: I own the vidio.... u know who is the ultimate disturber of the peace?

[WarChiefFanguan]: besides Charles Heston?

[Mackenzie]: george bush, he disturbed the whole world - whith a war... there a sighned pic. of charlton heston in this room 0.o

[WarChiefFanguan]: in this room?

[Mackenzie]: the room Im in.... not mine.... dont like it.

[Mackenzie]:

[Dil*]: i downloaded bowling for columbine ^_^ it's great, also have any of you watched The Corporation?

[Mackenzie]: no... but I m going camping tomarrow, so gn

[Dil*]: i heard it was good, just trying to get feedback.

[Weedy]: heh bowling for columbine rocks! i have the dvd.... one of the few dvd's i have actually... its easier to DL.... you know what sux though.....Fahrenheit 9/11 will be hard to buy in the US because Walt Disney's daughter company Miramax will not distribute it.... because if they do they will not get the tax relief they have been promised..... btw did any of you see michale moore get his oscar for bowling for columbine? .... if not take a look here>>> http://www.michaelmoore.com/special/oscar.php

[Mackenzie]: that was a really good movie.

[BarleySinger]: On Charles Heston as a topic. I grew up in a an area where everybody owned guns, and there was one murder by firarm in the 26 years I lived in that region. You see, none of those people thought it was a good idea to use them on people. They used them on deer, ducks, etc...for food. THey were violent rednecks, but they used fists for violence. See, lots of people who use guns these days are out of touch with the reality of what they do. It is very hard to be out of touch with the reality of what a gun does to a living human body, when bamby is hanging up from the rafters in the garage, dressed for butchering. A "longarm" gets you dinner and (as one person I know found out) can ...

[BarleySinger]: keep the local rifraf from breaking into your house. I don't like the idea of violence myself, though I do like it more than the idea of dying - and frankly I see no reason for average people to own a concealable firearm, though given how crappy law inforcement is at times, especiall in my time dealing with US cops, I do know of a number of people who DID have just cause to fear for their lives and who could not get the cops to help them.  I do have a personal issue in this, as I have a niece who blew her head off with a handgun owned by her father. Now, he kept that thing locked away and hid the key, so she had been very persistent in getting ahold of the thing...

[BarleySinger]: ...but if it had not been there, given her persistence, she would have found another way. The thing that would have saved her is having parents who were not fundies and had functional emotions...but I digress...I don't know about Charles Heston though. He seems to suffer from two dellusions. 1) that owning handguns somehow makes people safe against a corrupt government which has tanks. 2) that owning a handgun is reasonable self defense. Most folks who have them, purchase them without any training. If I could change one thing about the law on those things, it would be requiring people to take classes on how to deal with violent criminals (to avoid problems whenever possible...

[BarleySinger]: in the first place) and on how to be safe(r) with them. Too many stupid people just go out and buy one, and leave it sitting around loaded with no clue what they are getting into. You may as well go out and buy some dynamite with no training. I don't live the idea of people using power tools without training.  I don't like the idea of violence myself, though I do like it more than the idea of dying - and frankly I see no reason for average people to own a concealable firearm. A shotgun gets you dinner and (as one peron I know found out) can keep the local rifraf from breaking into your house...but I digress. No personally I I don't trust the US government as far as I could throw...

[BarleySinger]: the pentagon, and if I had my coice I would rather arm the people than the government, but that issue finished dying a slow death in WWII. There is no point now. The point of the "people right to bear arms" was to keep the military made of of average people, not a trained standing army (like the one in Iraq) as standing armies tend to get used as political tools again ones enemies and ones citizens. But as I said, that horse was beaten to death long ago.

[BarleySinger]: Of course there is one other part to this puzzle, and that is that societies fall apart if they have governments that take no responsibility for the people and the social climate. The US government doesn't give a crap about the average people who live there. The government exists to support big business, trading favors for election contributions. Unlike most "civilized" countries there is no real welfare / dole system, and no disability system at all to speak of (try living on $350 a month), and no free education worth a crap...so people have no quality of live for the most part, kids have no future without money for college, and everyone is one check away from the street.

[Dil*]: wow, all this stuff is great [BarleySinger] but the managers should make a seperate page for stuff like this ie. points of view, interesting information and such.

[Goldice]: gd idea [Dil*] noe prob tho.we will edn with 2 many pages tht r off shoots of this main one and us, the managers, already have enuff 2 kp track of.

[Lord Kügenheim]: not really. i mean, we could assign Volunteers to keep the pages running okay and to "remove" annoying people.

[Goldice]: we could do kugy yes.

[Panda-monium]: this is a great wiki, I like it. ^_^

[Weedy]: [BarleySinger] << your point about concealable firearms is great.... i just wanted to contribute some information to reinforce it...... Denmark has, compared to the number of citizens, more registered firearms than any other country in the world.... the average numbers of murders, through the last 58 years is 11,3 each year....one of the primary reasons is that no consealable firearms are available as only 1 % of all danish firearms are handguns and most of those are locked up in rifle clubs instead of private homes....

[Panda-monium]: yeah, and in canada the amount of killings is 65 per year, so Idk what the states are doing wrong

[Panda-monium]: It prolly has alot to do with the fact that they have the right to bare arms.

[Whim]: Iconoclasm Bar & Grill--Love its might.

[BarleySinger]: It isn't the "right to bear arms" because the murder rate by gun, and gun related crime, used to be lower. Social climates create crime. Places that function like "social democracies", where people have real social system, have less overall fear and fewer people doing "crime" for a living. There is less fear of ending up in the street as well. Think about this. In Denmark, Canada and Australia people have a larger ability to afford an education, long term unenployment benefits (the dole) and much more affordable medicine. Whereas in the US an educatio is obscenely prices, medicine is the most expensive in the world, and they have destroyed most of the social welfare system.

[Pale-Suzie]: it's strange that.... i mean, i've always known that it's pretty bad in the US, but that bad? that's another reason the war just doesn't make sense... i mean, why spend millions and millions of dollars on a war, instead of helping the average ppl in US get a better life? because in the end, if you don't do that, there will BE no ppl to make money, that the goverment can use on war...

[BarleySinger]: Because the war is about oil resources and the US control of them. Afganistan and the Taliban were ignored until there was a desire for a large gas pipeline through the country, and the Taliban would not cooperate. Iraq has always been about control of oil resources. The thing is, that while the rest of the world has been drafting energy and environmelatl policies to deal with inescapable realities...the US has been ignoring the fact the oil is a limitied and "soon to be gone" resource (which is also very poisonous). THe Cheny energy doctrine (as I understand it) is to take resources away from others to fuel US needs.

[BarleySinger]: Here is another Bush Banner, a variation on the last one I did.  The banner is bigger, the leaves are bigger, and his left ear crosses over the exclusion symbol.

[Dil*]: haha ^_^

[GRIM4AW]: i like it ^^

[Pale-Suzie]: are you sure that's not a foto? i mean... it looks just like him! (oh and, maybe you should turn those leaves into small money signs or soldiers. the way it looks now you might get the idea that he actually gives a damn about nature... ;_)... but it's really cool, go you BarleySinger! )

[Panda-monium]: yeah its great

[Panda-monium]: hey all, go to get well Danielle thank you.

[Rondel]: It's not a photo -- I watched him painting it (digitally), working from a photo, and it took him many hours to do... but I'm pleased that you folks think so highly of the work, too. :) Me, I want to do a version without the leaves, adding a wood grain effect to the tip of his nose, to heighten the obviousness of the Pinnochio allusion, but still, I'm quite impressed, myself! :)

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah... it's really cool. wow... i just called something with bush on it cool... who would ever had thought that would happen? surely not me...

[BarleySinger]: Thanks for all the praise. There are a few differences between the ral Bush and the picture (earlobe, neck, hair isn't quite right) but I gave it as much time as I felt I could (and still make any improvements). It was done with a pretty standard technique, using a different layer for each major body area. THe suit is just flat black, and the shirt is a triangle of grey. I'm not all that happy with the flesh tones on the side of his face. They came out a little grey I think.

[Weedy]: i think its great espicially the nose ...... well i was just watching the news.... since the 11'th september 2001 the american congress have granted a 191 billion $ to the war against terror.... imagine how much those money could have done if they had been used at social security or improvine the public school system instead

[Pale-Suzie]: wow.... yeah, so many ppls lives could have been improved with that money... instead they've used it to ruin even more ppls lives...

[Rondel]: <closes eyes and winces, quietly> "There are none so blind as those who will not see..."

[Lord Kügenheim]: Well thats Capitalism for you.

[Pale-Suzie]: Yeah... well, every sort of politics has its backsides... Capitalism forces every individual to do it's best... and the ones who aren't the best, are left to take care of them self... and if they can't, no one will miss them... communism... greater good for everyone, everyone is equal, sadly enough that just doesn't work in real life, it all looks very nice on paper... but doesn't really work... communism drowns the individual... so what are we to do? If ppl could just stop being do damn ignorant and admit that there is good things from both sides, we might actually get this to work... but it apparently doesn't work like that. Either you're left or right, there's no crossing over. Sad really

[Dil*]: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other ones." -Winston Churchill

[Pale-Suzie]: true... there's is no perfect kind of goverment... but as long as we fight each other, we're surely never gonna find the near perfect solution... lets just say that it's not gonna happen as long as bush is president...

[Dil*]: lol, winston kicked ass.

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah he did... ^_^

[Panda-monium]: lol. I may be mistaken here, wasnt winston churchhill, a canadain Prime Minister?

[Weedy]: technocracy might be the best system for society but it sucks for individuals.... i guess it will be the system we will end up with some day though....

[Pale-Suzie]: nope... english, second world war... a bit of a mistake, but i don't blame you, historie is full of so many names... who can really keep track on all of them...?

[Pale-Suzie]: to [Weedy] I sure don't hope so... i guess i would be able to live with it if it was for the greater good... but... i like having my rights as an indivdual... and i'll fight to keep them, if only thru speaking my mind, as long as i'm allowed to do so.

[Dil*]: He's that English Prime Minister who kicked Nazis ass!

[Panda-monium]: oh, yeah, he was the guy who wouldnt give into Hitler, ok, I got you. Thats why we have a thingy named after him here in Canada, I couldnt recall

[Panda-monium]: lol, Dilan, I just came to that conclusion, then seen your post, makes me look like a nutter. :P:P

[Pale-Suzie]: i love churchill for the simpel reason he kicked nazi ass... that will make pretty much any guy good in my books... but really he was a smart lat... a very drunk one... but smart.

[Pale-Suzie]: tihi ^_^

[Dil*]: lol, from what i hear, he was a crazy drunken dude, but he was good.

[Panda-monium]: yeah, he was an alcoholic from what I hear, but he was the only one who didnt trust hitler, you think if he was around he could have warned us about bush?

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah.... he was a bit of an alcoholic, but he got us thru the war didn't he? so let him have his drink or two (or twenty or forty) in peace

[Weedy]: [Pale-Suzie]<<< i dont like the idea either but in the end humans are egocentric to the extream and only a totalitarian state which denies the avrage human its personal freedom will be able to make the sacrefices which will keep society working....

[Pale-Suzie]: churchill still being around? that would be nice yeah...

[Dil*]: that would be cool.

[Pale-Suzie]: to [Weedy] i... don't really agree, as far as i know most countries aren't like that and they work anyway... i'm not willing to give up my rights to create the perfect country, or world or whatever, as long as some ppl aren't happy, it's not perfect, and there will always be ppl who aren't happy, so WHY try to achieve what we now we can't get? perfect society...!

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah it would... hm... two debates going on... churchill and future goverments... hm... the past and the future...

[Dil*]: ...Impossible...

[Pale-Suzie]: what's Impossible?

[Dil*]: to create a perfect society.

[Pale-Suzie]: agree.

[Pale-Suzie]: it's just not gonna happen, as much as we might want it to... and why would you want a perfect society anyway? a good society is a nice thing... a perfect one just sounds a tad freaky.

[Weedy]: [Pale-Suzie]<<< the perfect society is impossible.... and yes most countries work anyway.... but at what costs and for how long?... here in europe and in the us we are leaching on the cheap labour of the third world countries.... we are slowly polluting our planet without knowing what long term damages we might be causing.... i dont say i like the idea at all i would fight it to my last breath.... but even then i still think i would be the right thing to do

[Dil*]: it wont be solved in my lifetime i don't think.

[Pale-Suzie]: *takes deep breath*.... you might be right, but i will fight it... and if denmarks gonna change like that, it'll be over my dead body... i know that we're using the third world countries, and that we're already running out of time, using without thinking about what we're doing... but that's why we have to pull ourselfs together, and try to find someway to stop this.. instead of spending valuable time dreaming about how 'perfect' it COULD be... cause it never will be. there has to be someway we can do this without compromising our freedom.

[Pale-Suzie]: we have to solve in it out lifetime, cause if we don't help to do it, who will?

[Dil*]: normal people don't have much power over huge corporations and the crappy corrupted govt.

[Pale-Suzie]: no, but they could get it... every vote actually means something... you can help get other ppl to understand that what's going on is wrong... a normal person might not be able to do anything, but a bunch og normal ppl might... or maybe not... damn is sound so politiacly correct now... somebody shot me. o_O

[Weedy]: [Pale-Suzie]<<< yes there are quite a few ways to do it.... but most people are not willing to make the sacrefices..... people dont care much about the future...just take a look at dk.... people are "oh so happy" because they got their promised tax relief but actually the tax relif will probably damage the danish economy.... the politically parties in dk are becomming more and more populistic so they can get the avrage dane to vote on them... no party want to make the sacrifices needed to keep society running because that will make them loose the next election.... thats the kind of society we have..... and i never said anything was going to be perfect... i said it would be working...

[Dil*]: so, bush fucking rigged the election...everyone's heard crap about it.

[Pale-Suzie]: [Weedy] well... true... i know it... it makes me so sad, we have this lovely country where it works, it actually works, we care about nature and we have hardly any corruption, we're fairly rich... and then we spoil it all because we want tax relief... but there's only one way to solve it really, and that is to do something about it... you can always do something, or at least try.

[Panda-monium]: well, think about it, its human nature to Rise and then fall. I mean we talk of a perfect society but even if we could achieve it(unlikely, also because of human nature) how long could it posssibly last? Either one, we will destroy it by our own greed, will to dominate, or by any other such human quality, or it will fall for other such reasons, an even if we could create this world, the top of the food chain is never a permanent spot, we shall be over thrown eventually. And on top of all that, how could we possibly create a perfect world of imperfect beings?

[Pale-Suzie]: yep.... you pretty much sumed it up... it rises and falls... every big country falls at some point... it will happen to USA to... (one word:BUSH) and every race will die out at some point... humans will to.

[Panda-monium]: I think that we should continmue to strive toward it, for what are we of we stop trying to move forward? It is our creativity, and inventive personalities, that seperate us from animals(aside from the aposible thumb) So even though it is impossible to achieve we must try anyway, because we have not failed until we fail to try.

[Panda-monium]: thanks must ppl just condemn what I say. I never had ne one agree with it b4. ^_^

[Dil*]: Yeah, but we don't want bush starting a 3rd world war just because he's a stupid bastard, you don't go attacking random countries without consequences.

[Pale-Suzie]: and... that's true to. but i still believe that you shouldn't compormise your rights, or sacrifice some humans to get there, when you know you never will... we can try to become perfect, but not at all costs.. and really. what IS perfect?

[Panda-monium]: well, now I never said that, I am against bush one hundred percent. I never said he was going about it the right way! Hell I am a canadian if there is one thing I dont believe in it is violence

[Pale-Suzie]: bush starting a 3rd world war? he's to stupid to even try... (i hope)

[Dil*]: bush is already changing the laws and tearing up the constitutions.

[Weedy]: [Pale-Suzie]<<< yes i can do something about it.... i can buy the right things i can sort my garbage and so on.... but in the end i, jusy like the rest of the danish population, dont give a fuck about it..... and even if i did try what would it help?? 90 % of the worlds pollution comes from the US.... and though i havent seen any numbers or statistics i believed that the avrage us citizen dont know shit about pollution

[Pale-Suzie]: and i'm a dane, and i to believe he's completly out of his mind...

[Panda-monium]: I am justr saying it is horribly impossible, and will never happen, but as humans we cant stop trying. I think bush should give it up though. I mean he is just creating more violence than he does stopping it. I mean I have a horrible grudge with that guy, and above all can you believe the nerve of Bush, he asked us to go to war with him, and as if that was not enough, he asked to set up missle bases in canada! I mean whao, flash back, can ne one say COLD WAR, and we already told him them where They could put there god damned missles..

[Weedy]: [Panda-monium] <<< thats why i say that technocracy might be the best system.... in a technocracy we are ruled by a combination of AI and scientists or just by AI....

[Pale-Suzie]: [Weedy] and... damn another person i have to agree with... this whole thing is just making me sad... well, i'll fight it for as long as i can, and even if i don't succed, i can at least die nowing i tried... and feeling pretty damn sad for the next generation... bush shouldn't be figtinh iraq, but polution (which as you said, is mainly from USA anyway...) and poverty... the bastards got no sense of reality...

[Panda-monium]: ok, sry the subject of Bush, really burns me up

[Pale-Suzie]: GO CANADA!

[Pale-Suzie]: well... we are here to talk about how much we hate the bastard aren't we?

[Panda-monium]: I agree he is off fighting Iraq, and "stopping violence" but he fails to realize that half of its in his own damn contry, I mean ok, in Aurstraila 65 murders a year, Britian 69 murders a year, Canada 165 murders a year, USA 11 000 murders a year

[Dil*]: i don't mind contueing to flame him.

[Panda-monium]: LOL, yes I was apologizing for my language not for yelling about bush. I mean I didnt want to offend any one. I dont usually talk like that

[Dil*]: i don't swear that much..just when i'm talking about bush ^_^

[Pale-Suzie]: BOAH. O_O... that's a lot of dead ppl.... well... i actually don't think he's the one taking the desicions... i think he's just a puppet, as sorta of front figur, and that the real ppl who decide are behind him... i loved a sentence i read in the newpaper yesterday: "bush falls on his bike: tomorrow he will tell us why we should fight iraq" how is a guy who can't even bloody ride on a bike, supposed to be able to lead a country in to war!?

[Weedy]: [Panda-monium] i dont know about the others in here bu i dont care about swearworlds

[Panda-monium]: LOL

[Pale-Suzie]: okay.

[Panda-monium]: o_O

[Pale-Suzie]: and suddenly the debate just stopped...

[Weedy]: [Pale-Suzie]<<< yes usually that happens when people agree

[Panda-monium]: thats is a good point, but who ever heard of a 50 year old guy riding a bike, I mean, that is a bit weird form where I am standing. And isnt that the whole point? He CANT run a country, since he has been in, poverty haqs gone up, and there currency has went "whoosh" way down. Canada is even catching up on them.

[Panda-monium]: lol, yup. there is no need to arguem when we all agree

[Pale-Suzie]: [Weedy] well, if that's true, there woudln't be much point in having a wiki like this would there? because we all hate bush, what is there to debate then

[Panda-monium]: on, lots of things we just had one on perfect society.

[Pale-Suzie]: in denmark lots of old dudes on 50 or more bike ride... and yes, he can't run a country... we can all just turn on the TV and see the proof.

[Weedy]: [Pale-Suzie]<<< well i see this wiki as a place to share info about the prick... to talk about what he is doing to the world etc....

[Pale-Suzie]: [Panda-monium] i guess so. ^_^

[Panda-monium]: ^_^ it is agreed we all hate bush, but we are still individuals with different opinions on different issues. and different reasons for hating him.

[Panda-monium]: lol, yay I said somtyhing intelligent. *bounces around*

[Pale-Suzie]: [Weedy] jep, but that isn't much fun without a little bit of debate is it? well... actually anything that's about making fun og bush is fun... so... nevermind.

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah you did. *bounces around with you*

[Panda-monium]: lol. YAY

[Panda-monium]: hehe. so, what do we do now?

[Pale-Suzie]: i don't know... it's pretty late here in denmark and i've been up since shit in the morning, so from my point of view, sleep seems tempting...

[Panda-monium]: thinks of another arguement to cook up. *insert evil laugh*

[Panda-monium]: LOL

[Panda-monium]: its only 6:30 here

[Pale-Suzie]: uh oh... what is [Panda-monium] gonna come up with?

[Kelaria]: it's 6:30 where I am too! :) where do you live panda?

[Pale-Suzie]: it's... 00:31 in denmark, not that late but i'm rather tired... i will stay up a bit longer i think... just come up with something to talk about. ^_^

[Weedy]: [Pale-Suzie]<< what do you think about the fjog/bush meeting tomorrow....

[Pale-Suzie]: ARGH... to so horribly stupid ppl in the same room, it's doomes to get f***ed up! hopefully they'll accidently kill eachother!

[Weedy]: [Pale-Suzie]<<< at least fjog is going to criticize bush

[Pale-Suzie]: that's always something...

[Pale-Suzie]: anyway, i'm gonna go to bed now... sleep well everybody when you get to that. goodnight.

[Panda-monium]: yeah thats true, maybe two wrongs can make a right, (j/k)

[Panda-monium]: I am from CANADA!

[WarChiefFanguan]: (serious question) Is Canada fun?

[Panda-monium]: LOLOLOL, what do you mean by that?

[Panda-monium]: like is it boring just like every other place? of course, do we have those no where towns, hell yes, I mean it is just as boring or fun as the next place.

[Panda-monium]: I think it is great I mean, we have a wonderful goegraphically deverse land, so there is hunting, fishing, and still the pleasures of all that city stuff, all in one round package, You dont have to travel very far.

[Panda-monium]: so you see, I dont understand your question :P:P:P

[WarChiefFanguan]: I was just wondering. It's pretty fun here, but I can't stand someone in office...*thinks you know who*, so I've been thinking of moving to Canada when I can.

[Panda-monium]: well, Idk what you mean by fun, but I can tell you that we dont have Bush in office, and that we get free health care, and we dont believe in going off to fight aggressive wars. I mean I LOVE CANADA, but I am canadian..so, idk

[Dil*]: same.

[Pale-Suzie]: hm... i remember taking this american test once, 'are you a bitch' or something, and one of the questions was if you where Canadian (that would ad a great deal to your bitchness) i'm sure it's something that the americans just say about the canadians like danes always joke about the drunk swedes... but the more i learn about USA and Canada, the more it seems like it's actually the Canadians that are a bunch cooler...

[Rosey The Eskimo]: i wanna join! i hate bush!

[Rondel]: Speaking as an American citizen living in Australia, I'm always flattered when I am mistaken for Canadian. :)

[Dil*]: ^_^

[BarleySinger]: I lived in the US before leaving for the land of Oz, and the general attitude in the US is that Canda isn't a "Real" country. I'm not joking. I have heard people say that. After all Canada has no large standing army, they don't constantly go to war with people, or force their culture on the rest of the world. They just have a low murder rate, socialized medicice and a dole system (although those have taken a bashing in the last few years), a legal system that honors homosexual life parteners, and doesn't get bent out of shape when people (especially sick people) use pot. I can understand how being tollerant of others and much less warlike would confuse them. 

[bellatrix lestrange]: whooo i want to join~

[bellatrix lestrange]: whooo i want to join!

[Christie Shadow]: Ha ha... Canada is cool. Just the name, try saying it when you're sad... Canada...

[Pale-Suzie]: hm, i've never really thought much of canada, mostly because of the opinions that USA has towards Canada, i always thought there had to be some thruth in it... but now i have to admit i was wrong. the more i learn about canada, the more i realise just how much Denmark and Canada have in common, and how little Denmark and USA have... i can realte to Canadas political system. (exept the pot thing, but that's just me) but the American system is to me like reading greek... actually i think it would be easier for me to understand greek then it would be to understand the American political system...! don't get me wrong, America is a great place when it comes to a lot of things... just not politics

[Pale-Suzie]: and tolerance...

[Weedy]: heh..... the USA is a great country.... they only have one big problem... the americans live there (sorry canadians i know your americans as well but i dunno what you call the us citizens)

[Pale-Suzie]: you call them american i think, and then you call ppl from Canada candians... but really, most Americans aren't all bad... some of them are nice... they just seem to lack a bit on the tolerance part...

[Weedy]: it was a joke curly....

[Pale-Suzie]: ah... sorry... well... most of them are pretty nice... i'll never forget something i was told when i visited the states... "in america everybody's equal... some ppl are just more equal then others." i think that sumed up the problem.

[Weedy]: at least some of the problem.... problems like those in the us are a combination of a 100 things

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah.... every country has its porblems... it just seems like USA have quiet a few... or maybe just one REALLY big one?... *cough cough*bush*cough coigh*

[Dil*]: I agree.

[she's gone country]: heh heh heh yes everything is bush's fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mwahahahaha

[Panda-monium]: LOL, thats one way to look at it. :P:P

[Goldice]: i stil cant bleev tht one wiki gets such a big response. im so proud 2 b a manager of this wiki

[Panda-monium]: and I am proud to be a member! ^_^ ^_^

[Goldice]: gd.i want all members to tel me tht they proud 2 b a member

[Panda-monium]: hehe, I am sure they are, but I cant speak for them. :P:P ^_^

[Weedy]: goldice<<< im proud!! proud like the burning hells!!

[Goldice]: good

[Panda-monium]: lol

[Mackenzie]: ......... hi

[Dil*]: yay, people in the bush haters association like canadians..hmmm coincidence?

[Mackenzie]: mmmmmmmmmmm bacon

[Dil*]: bacon?

[Mackenzie]: *looks around*

[Alkor]: just like me

[Mackenzie]: your bacon too?

[Kitten Leath Feral]: meh, my name isn't on the list yet. 

[Panda-monium]: I love Bacon, not to try and strengthen a stereotype. :P:P

[Dil*]: What does bacon have to do with anything?